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<sup>tIcf¯nsâ A¼Xp hÀj§Ä þ \mSIw

aebmf \mSIthZnþ t\êw \mSyhpw</sup>

C.]n cmPtKm]me³

Cu sskzcPohnXw F{X Imew DWvSmIpw? Dev]mZ\anÃm¯, bYmÀ° cm{ãob PohnXw ipjvIamb
tIcfob PohnX¯n\v F{X apt¶m«v t]mIm³ ]äpw. bmYmÀ°yw a\knem¡phÀ ChnsS IqSpXÂ IqSpXÂ DWvSmhpI Xs sN¿pw. AhÀ Ime¯nsâ \mSIw DWvSm¡pIbpw sN¿pw. Cs¯ sNdnb DWÀÆpIsfms¡ At¸mgmWv icn¡pw hneaXn¡s¸SpI--
þ-----aebmf \mSI thZnbpsS Ncn{Xhpw hÀ¯am\hpw NÀ¨ sN¿p \mSI teJ\w.

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H¶ma³: icn, Ccnbv¡q... Fgpt¶äp t]mImdmbn«nÃ.

cWvSma³: Ct¸mgpw \mSIw DWvsS¶mWv \n§Ä ]dbp¶Xv.

H: AXv Rm³ ]dªn«pthtWm? \mSIw DWvS v.

c: imTyamtWm?  

H: CsXsâ hmNnIm`n\bamsW¶mtWm hoWvSpw ]dbp¶Xv?..... \mSIw CÃmXmhm³ a\pjyÀ CÃmXmhWw. ssPhcq]amWXv.

c: Fsâ t\m«¯n ]¯psImÃambn \mSI¯nsem¶pw \S¶n«nÃ. iq\yamb Ac§v.

H: \mSI¯n\v F¡me¯pw ChnsS henb {In«n¡Â kt¸mÀ«v In«nbn«nÃ. C¶Xv XoscbnÃ. \mSI¡mÀ X½nepÅ hmÀ¯mhn\nabhpw \¶mbn \S¡p¶nÃ. AXpsImWvSmWv \n§Ä¡o kwibw.....]e ssienIfnÂ, ]e hn\nab _e§fn \mSIw tIcf¯nepWvSv. 

c: Rm³ hfÀ¶Xv B[p\nIXbpsS IqsSbmWv. A¶s¯ Hcp sSwt]m C¶nÃ. icnbtÃ?

H: icnbmWv. A¶s¯ sSwt]m C¶pWvSmIcpXtÃm. A¶v A¶mWv. C¶v C¶pw.

c: imTyw! imTyw hn«v Imcyw ]dbq.

H: B[p\nIXbpsS Imes¯ 1950þ77 Imes¯ \mSIs¯ \aps¡m¶v ASp¯ph¨p t\m¡mw. Rm³ {]_Ôw hmbn¡pw t]mse ]dbmw. A¶pw \mtSmSn \mSI§Ä D­mbn. tIcfobamb NXpÀhn[m `n\b§fpsS ssPhamXrIIÄ. AXns\ \mSI]ÞnX·mscm¶pw B \nebn hnebncp¯nbnà Ft¶bpÅq. \mSIw F¶ \nebn ImWm³ t^mIvtemdnÌpIÄ¡pw Xmev]cyanÃ. cWvSmaXmbn kn.sP tXmaknsâ Kw`oc³ hnhÀ¯\§fpw Bibm[njvTnX\mSI§fpw DWvSmbn. ss{Iw \mSIw thsd¯s¶ Hcp PåÊmWv. KuchOmbbn A[nIw {i²n¡p¶ \mSI¯nsâ Xs¶ UoI¬kv{S£³ AXnepWvSv. kn.sP bnse \nÀ½mXmhv hnhÀ¯\§fpw aäp \mSI§fpw FgpXnbpWvSm¡nbt¸mÄ At±l¯nse hn[zwkI{]Xn`bmWv ss{Iw DWvSm¡nbXv. B[p\nIXbpsS Xs¶ Hcp Xcw amÌÀt_j³ hkvXphmWXv.

c: F³. IrjvW¸nÅbpsS \mSI§tfm?

H: Ah Xncph\´]pc¯v \¶mbn Ifn¨psh¶dnbp¶p. F¶meXnt\¡mÄ {][m\w Ah Hcp ]pXnb sP\tdj³ DWvSmhm³ ImcWambn F¶XmWv. C_vks\ t{]m»w \mSI¯nte¡v \yq\oIcn¡pIbmbncp¶p B \mSI§Ä. thsdmcp Xc¯n ]dªm \ap¡v thWvS C_vks\ DWvSm¡pIbmWh. AYhm Ahbn C_vk³ A{Xsbm¶pw CÃ. \½fn¶v hmbn¡pt¼mÄ Ahbn ChnSs¯ PohnX¯nsâ Nne CS§Ä DsWvS¶mWv ImtWWvSXv. Cu \mSI§Ä hgn kz´w Imcy§Ä dnbenÌmbn ]dbm³ Hcp A\mbmk am[yaw \mSI¡mÀ¡v In«\Ibmbnêì.

c: AXmWv \n§Ä ]pXnb sP\tdj³ F¶v ]dªXv?

H: AsX. {]iv\\mSIcq]¯n \qdpIW¡n\v \mSI§Ä h¶pì. sI.Sn apl½Zpw Xnt¡mSnb\pw {ioIWvT³\mbcpw sXm«v kn.F tPmkpw aät\Iw t]cpw hsc. tIcfPohnX¯nsâ kaImenIapJw Ac§n h¶p. Cu \mSI§Ä ]cs¡ \m«n Ifn‑¡pIbpw sNbvXp.

c: \n§Ä ss]¦nfn \mSI§sf \ymboIcn¡pIbmWv. ssl BÀSv þ tem BÀSv hyXymkw XIÀ¯p XnaÀ¡p¶ \n§sft]msebpÅ D¯cm[p\nI ]p¯nPohnIÄ¡v F´pamhmatÃm, AtÃ?

H: PohnXw h¶p Ac§n F¶mWv ]dªXv. CXmWv X\Xc§v þ \mS³ Ie am{Xaà X\Xp \mSIw. ChnSs¯ `mjmt`Z§Ä, icoc`mjmt`Z§Ä, {]tab§Ä, Øesshhn[yw Hs¡ t\sc \mSI¯n h¶p. sNdnb ImcyaÃ.

c: BIs«, Imhmew \mcmbW]Wn¡À ]dbp¶Xv X\Xv thsdbmWv F¶mWtÃm.

H: Imhmew \mS³ IeIfn \n¶v Hcp FeoänÌv, AlntÌmdn¡Â ske£³ \S¯n \mSIw D­m¡p¶bmfmWv. \à kwLmSI³, IemaÀ½Ú³. ASnØm\]cambn Ihn. Imhy\mSI¯nsâ cwK cq]¯n ImWm³ sImÅmhp¶ \mtSmSn Km\§Ä sh«nsbm«n¡p¶p. SqdnÌpIÄ¡pw X\n¡pw sImÅmw. B \nebn X\Xv.

c: tIcf¯nsâ kv]ncnäXn Cà F¶mtWm?

H: tIcf¯nsâ kv]ncnäXn Cà F¶mWv. AXn\memWXv hfcm¯Xpw. Ah\h³ IS¼ Adw ]änb t]cmbnt¸mbn N§mXo....

c: Pn. i¦c¸nÅbpsSbpw aäpw {ia§tfm?

H: i¦c¸nÅÊmÀ F¶p hnfn¡m\mWv Rm\m{Kln¡p¶Xv. 

H: AÃ. At±lw Xsâ \mSI{]hÀ¯\s¯ IWvSXv F§s\bmbmepw, \½Ä ImWpt¼mÄ Adnbm³ ]äp¶ Imcyw Nne \ho\þ]mÝmXyþbptdm þAtacn¡³ cwKssienIÄ ]cnNbs¸Sp¯m \mbmWv At±lw \mSIw DWvSm¡nbXv F¶mWv. \mSIw ]Tn¸n¡p¶ KpcphmWt±lw þkmdv. B[p\nIXbpsS \mSI\ntbmKw GsäSp¯ DSemWXv.

c: kvIqÄ Hm^v {Uma DWvSm¡nbtXm?

H: AXpw Cu tamtUWnän t{]mPIvänsâ `mKw Xs¶. kvIqÄ Hm^v {Uma þC¶pw Hcp {Sm³tÉj³ Øm]\amWXv. C\nbpaXv tIcfobambn«nÃ. B[p\nIXsb C³tUm{Int\äv sN¿m\mWXv DWvSm ¡nbXv. C´y\mb þtIcfobamb B[p\nIXsb DWvSm¡m\Ã. sIm¨nbn Hcp XpdapJw. AcWm«p Icbn thsdmcp CâÀ\mjW t]mÀ«v.

c: H«pw acymZbnÃmsXbmWv \n§Ä kwkmcn¡p¶Xv.

H: kvIqÄ Hm^v {Uma tIcf \mSIs¯ sam¯w {]tNmZn¸n¡p¶ Hcp Øm]\ambn«mbncp¶p  XotcWvSXv. ]t£ AXpWvSmbnÃ. ]Icw AXv \mSIs¯¡pdn¨pÅ B[nImcnIÚm\apev]mZn ¸n¡p¶ H¶mbn¯oÀ¶p. AhnsS tIcfNcn{Xw, tIcf IemNcn{Xw kPohhnjbaÃm¯XpsImWvS v In«p¶ Adnhns\ \m«phn\b¯n ebn¸n¨v, \à \mSIapWvSm¡m³ IgnªnÃ. {]Xn`Isf IWvSoj³ sN¿p¶ H¶mbnt¸mbn AXv. FeoänÌv \mSI¡mcmbnt¸mbn ]pd¯ph¶Xv. ]pdw \mSI¡mÀ shdpw I¬{SnIfmbn a\knem¡s¸«p. Rm³ {UmamkvIqÄ _ncpZ¡mscbà Ipäw ]dbp¶Xv. ]pdw \mSI¡mscbmWv. AhÀ¡v thWvSm¯ A]IÀjXmt_m[ap­mbn, kz´w \nebn \mSIw sN¿m³ AhÀ hnjan¨p \n¶p. Cu \ne C¶pw amªn«nÃ.

c: kvt]bvkns\¡pdn¨pÅ ]pXnb t_m[w DWvSm¡m³ {UmamkvIqfn\mbntÃ?

H: Bbn. \mSI¯n F´\p`hhpw sImWvSphcmw F¶ kzmX{´yt_m[w sImWvSph¶Xv \ÃXv. ]t£ IqSnbm«¯nsâbpw IYIfnbptSbpw ]tSWnbptSbpw \mSy[À½nXz¯nepÅ kvt]bvkv \nÀ½mW IemhntijW§fpambn CXns\ tNÀ¯v ]Tn¡m³ IgnªnÃ. AXpsImWvSv tIcfobambnÃ. {Sm³tÉj³ tSm¬ amªnÃ.

c: CtX Pn. i¦c¸nÅbtà 1978se FdWmIpfw \mStImÕhw \S¯nbXv?

H: AsX. B \mStImÕhamWv kvIqÄ Hm^v {Umasb¡mfpw \mSItIcf¯n\v {][m\w. F§s\ kz´w kwkvIrXnbneq¶n ]pXnb \mSIw efnXhpw iàhpambn D­m¡mw, FeoÌv icoc`mjsb F§s\ ]pd´Åmw F¶ At\zjWambn `hn¨p. l_o_v X³hodnsâbpw Kncojv IÀ®mSnsâbpw _nhnsi´nsâbpw \mSI§Ä. \½psS ]pXnb \mSI¡mÀ \à ]mT§Ä ]Tn¨p.

c: ]n.Fw XmPpw aäpamtWm ]pXnb \mSI¡mÀ?

H: XmPv 1980Ifn \Ãh®w tPmen sNbvXp, XmPn Hcp \mSI`mcXnbpWvSv. AXbmÄ¡v \mSItIcfam¡m\pw ]än. XmPnsâ \mSI§Ä H«pw FenänÌà þkaImenIhpamWv. {Iqcamb BßhnNmcWbpaXnepWvS v.

c: XmPv Häbv¡mbncpt¶m?

H: AÃ. Hcp]mSp t]cpWvSmbncp¶p. A¡mes¯ tImtfPv \mSIaÕc§sfms¡ F´p kPoh ambncp¶p.

c: \n§fpw   A¡mew F¶p ]dªpXpS§n.... Ct¸mÄ H¶pìansöv......

H: P\Iob\mSIIme¯nsâ Hcp L«s¯ kmthiw HmÀ½n¨psht¶bpÅq. Rm³ C¶ns\ XÅp¶nÃ.

c: F´mWXnsâ \ne? ]dªms« þ

H: FgpXn ^en¸n¡m³ Xs¶ {]bmkIcamb H¶mWv tIcf¯nse kaImenI PohnXw. ImcWw Im]Syw CÃmsX ChnsSbmÀ¡pw t\mÀ½Â _obnwKvkv Bhm³ ]äm¯ \nebpWvS v. At¸mĸns¶ ImWn¨p ^en¸n¡p¶ \mSIw t\cnSp¶ shÃphnfnIÄ {]tXyIw ]dbtWm?

c: \n§Ä XSnX¸pIbmWv...

H: C¶s¯ \mSIt\«§Ä F{Xta {]bmkIcamb Dev]¶§fmsW¶v ]dbpIbmWv. ]n. _me N{µsâ  ambmkoXm¦w t\m¡q. AhyØnXamb \mSIioes¯, IqSpX kmaqlnIt_m[t¯msS D]tbmKn¡p¶hbtà amdmadbm«w t\ct¼m¡v, N¯h\pw sIm¶h\pw, `mcymktaXw F¶nhsbÃmw. {_mÒWn¡epw B¬tImbvam]chpamb cmambW hmb\Isf IW¡n\v ]cnlkn¡pIbpw _Z hmb\m amXrI Øm]n¡pIbpatà ambm koXm¦hpw? F³. iin[csâ ASp¡fbpw lnwkmS\hpw DjvWImehpw hmWn`hpw shsd ssienbn ImehnNmcWbmWv \S¯p¶Xvþiin[c\n XamibnÃþ\mtSmSn¯hpw CÃ. F¶m \m«pt\cpIfpsS IÀ¡iamb t{iWnbpWvSv. kXojv sI. kXojnsâbpw F³ im´Ipamdnsâbpw sI.Fkv {io\mYnsâbpw \mSI§Ä ]pXnb Iemhmb\IfmWv. CsXm¶pw ImWmsX t]mIcpXv, tamtUWntÌþ

c: ]gbIme IYIÄ ]dbp¶ \mSI§Ä DWvSmIp¶ntÃ?

H: [mcmfw. Ahbn escapist Dcp¸nSnIÄ Hcp]mSpWvS v. C¶s¯ {]iv\§sf t\cnSm\mbn ]gb IYIÄ ]dbp¶Xv a\pjyklPhpw \mSIklPhpamWv. AhsbbmWv {][m\ambn ImWm³ IgntbWvSXv.

c: XoÀt¶m?

H: 1978se FdWmIpfw \mStImÕhw t]mse Ncn{X{]m[m\yapÅXmWv {XnÈqcnse AJnte´ym kv{Xo\mSI ]Wn¸pc. 2000emWXv \S¶Xv. þAÃ 1999tem?

c: s]®p§Ä F´p \mSIamWv s]äpIq«nbXv?

H: AÊ Iaâv. s]®p§Ä kz´w \mSIa¡sf s]äpIq«n. tIcf¯n\v ]pd¯v hnIkn¨psImWvSn cn¡p¶ kv{Xo\mSIs¯¡pdn¨v ChnSs¯ IemImcnIÄ t\cn«dnªp. \mSI¯nsâ s]mXp Ncn{X¯n\I¯p\n¶pw khntijamb Hcp kv{Xo\mSI Ncn{X[mcbpsS Cg]ncns¨Sp¡m\pw Ignªp.

c: ]Wn¸pc IgnªtXmsS Cu ]pXpt_m[¯nsâbpw ]WnXoÀ¶ncn¡pw.

H: CÃtÃm, Rm³ Nne \mSIt¸cpIÄ am{Xw ]dbmw. Hmtcmtcm Ime¯pw, tZhine, s]®v, te_Àdqw, _yq«n]mÀeÀ, ^qe³, Chbn NneXnsâ cN\Xs¶ \S¯nbXv kv{XoIfmWv. {ioPsb Adnbptam?

c: At\zjn¨dnbtWm? AdntbWvSXmsW¦n kzm`mhnIambpw Adnbpw. sNhnbnÂ, I®n h¶p hoWpsImÅpw.

H: icnXs¶. Hcp ZuXyiàn t\Sns¡mWvSncn¡bmWv kv{Xo \mSIcwKw. Ddm«n F¶m  `mcy F¶mWÀ°\p. hb\m«nse ]WnbcpsS hm¡mWv. Ddmf³ F¶m  `À¯mhv. hb\m«n Ip¼f ¡m«nse ]WnbcpsS \mSIkwLwþt\cv \mSIthZnþ Ddm«nsbs¶mcp \mSIw Ifn¨p. tIcfkwKoX \mSI A¡mZan k½m\h\w hm§n. X§fpsS t\cpIfmWv 20 ]WnbÀtNÀ¶v Ifn¨pImWn¨Xv. \m¦fpw \o¦fpsaÃmw a\pjycmWv F¶ hN\¯n XpS§p¶ \mSIw. BZnhmknIsf¡pdn¨pÅ a[yhÀ¤¯nsâ t_m[aÃ, BZnhmknIfpsS Xs¶ Bßt_m[amWv Ddm«n. \mSIw FgpXn Nn«s¸Sp¯nb at\mPvIm\ F¶ sNdp¸¡mc³ ]pd¯p\n¶pÅbmfmsW¦nepw \mSIw BZnhmknIfptSXp Xs¶bmWv. 2003 \mSIhÀjw  Ddm«nbpsS hÀjamWv.

c: Ct¸mįs¶btà sIm¨nbn Iem\nebw hoWvSpw càc£Êpw ISaä¯pI¯\mcpw aäpw Ifn¨pXpS§nbXv.

H: AXv NnÂ{U³kv tIman¡nsâ \mSIcq]amWv. F¶meXn\åw {]m[m\yapWvS v. AXpw tNÀ¶mte \mSI¯nsâ  ]e shssdän hcq.

c: \mSI¯n\v \à Imip sNehm¡Ww, AXn\m \mSIw sN¿m\mfnà F¶p tIÄ¡p¶tÃm?

H: Imiv [mcmfw sNehm¡nbpw \mSIw DWvSm¡Ww. Zmcn{Zys¯ \mSIam¡m³ ]äWw. {]iv\w ]WaÃ. \mSI¯n\mbpÅ k¶²XbmWv. ]pXnb Idp¯ apXemfn¯w \s½ ho«parK§fm¡m\mWv ]cnioen¸n¡p¶Xv. F¶m Cu sskzcPohnXw F{X Imew DWvSmIpw? Dev]mZ\anÃm¯, bYmÀ° cm{ãob PohnXw ipjvIamb tIcfob PohnX¯n\v F{X apt¶m«v t]mIm³ ]äpw. bmYmÀ°yw a\knem¡p¶hÀ ChnsS DS³ Xs¶ IqSpX IqSpX DWvSmhpI Xs¶ sN¿pw. AhÀ Ime¯nsâ \mSIw DWvSm¡pIbpw sN¿pw. C¶s¯ sNdnb DWÀÆp Isfms¡ At¸mgmWv icn¡pw hneaXn¡s¸SpI. \½psS \mSI Ncn{Xt_m[s¯ Xs¶bpw doI ¬kv{SIväv sNt¿­Xmbn hcpw. ]oThXvIrXamb ]e ]mT§fpw B \ne t\SnbXv F§s\ F¶v hnebncp¯s¸Spw. Hcp kÀ¤mßIamb Xnf¨padnben\v Im¯p\n¡pIbmWv tIcf\mSIw. s]cpInhcp¶ Zcn{ZhXvIcWw kp\nÝnXamb cm{ãobhXvIcW¯nte¡mWv \bn¡pI. hÀ¤obXbpsS, ssk_À kpJ§fpsS ab¡phnZysb adnIS¡p¶ bYmÀ°y¯nsâ Nn«bnÃm¯ ]p\:Øm]\w hcpw. \mSIw amdpw At¸mÄ þ\mSIw amdns¡mWvSncn¡bmWv F¶ C¶s¯ \neXs¶bmWo¡mcyw Dd¸m‑¡p¶Xv.

c: icn. Rm\nd§s«.

H: shbnepWvS v. ]t£ \n§fpsS IpSÈoe an¡bnS¯pw Iodnbncn¡p¶p. F´psN¿pw?

(ag¡meamsW¦n ]dbmhp¶Xv) agbpWvSv. ]t£ \n§fpsS IpSÈoe an¡bnS¯pw Iodnbncn¡p¶p. F´psN¿pw?

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